building valuations

The Greyhound Pub - case study of commercial property survey and buying a pub.

To download this article as a pdf - click here

The Buyers' Story

Jan Thomas ran an accounts department supervising around 60 people, but she was hankering for a total change of career and had been thinking of running her own wine bar for sometime.   One day in November 2003 she went into work as usual and on the spur of the moment decided that it was time to make a decision about her future life and handed in her notice there and then.   She had decided to follow her dream.   She rang her husband and told him of her decision and despite his surprise he said he would back Jan all the way.   Jan had never worked behind a bar before, her husband had - but many years previous to this.

With her notice handed in Jan and Paul talked about their new venture and decided that one of their criteria would be to be located fairly near Jan's family, particularly Jan's mum who had a background as a cook, and would be working in the new establishment.   They set to work researching businesses available.

Jan had initially wanted to run a wine bar, but they kept their options open and found a pub quite quickly, which was on a tenancy basis, but another couple with 20 years experience in the trade pipped them to the post.   Undeterred they found another, but again that did not work out.  

Jan and Paul scoured the quarterly magazines, Daltons, Christies etc. and spent some time on the internet searching and came up with a list of 'possibles'.   They spent a Saturday visiting them all posing as customers.   They kept an open mind about the type of pub and area and looked at all types of pubs in a variety of conditions.   They kept in the fore of their minds the cost of the rents and rates, they had a price in their minds that they could afford and they knew they wanted to be close to family.   They liked the Greyhound Inn the most, looking beyond the amount of work they could see was needed and felt it had potential.  

They revisited the Greyhound the next day taking Jan's parents with them.   Although the pub was rather run down they telephoned Guy Simmonds, (www.ukpubsales.com, a national company which specialises in the sale of licensed businesses) on Monday morning to inform him of their interest.

With Jan's accountancy background she was able to produce her own business plan herself, this was the third one she had prepared since their search began.   The next step was to visit their bank manager deciding to use the equity in their house to secure the deal.   Jan advised us that care and thought should be given to this decision as the sale of your property may not happen quite as quickly as you may desire.

Jan and Paul also went on various courses, some of which were compulsory, including a Licensee Induction Course and a Cellar Management course.  It was at this point that Jan and Paul commissioned Gem Associates Limited to carry out a Schedule of Condition on the property.

The Surveyor's Story

In February 2004 we were instructed by Mr and Mrs Thomas to carry out a Schedule of Condition on the Greyhound Inn in Brackley, Northamptonshire.

We have considerable experience of the Licence trade and our Schedule of Condition is a unique report being a mixture of a Structural Survey for Leaseholders and a Schedule of Condition that should protect the leaseholder in years to come from Schedules of Dilapidations.

One of our surveyors duly visited the Greyhound Inn and detailed all the problems with the building, recording its condition with photographic evidenc and in this case we took in the region of 300 photographs, pointing out faults and areas that needed attention.  

We use 'Action Required' paragraphs in our surveys to pinpoint areas of concern and to focus our clients' attention on the main issues.   We also give the client an idea of the anticipated costs of the work that needs doing.

Our Reports are written with the layperson in mind and all technical terms are defined throughout the report. We are also very keen that clients should be able to speak to their surveyor as many times as they feel necessary after they have read the survey and ask any questions they need clarification on.

The Greyhound Inn was found to be in a poor to dilapidated state but with potential.   Our surveyor found various areas where work would be needed to be carried out to bring the Inn to a reasonable standard.   Work was required to the chimneys, roofs, gutters and downpipes, external redecoration, internal decoration and there had been some movement in the building.   There was no central heating and the electrics were very old and there were also environmental health issues.  

Our surveyor felt that 'considerable risk' was being taken by Jan and Paul based on the property having a 'full repairing and insuring lease'.

Due to the works that were needed to the property we were subsequently asked to follow the survey up with a Valuation Report and our clients were able to negotiate on the price of the Inn based on the work that was required to the property.  

 

Six Months Later - Return Visit to The Greyhound

Six months after this survey was carried out we decided to make a follow up visit to the Greyhound to find out how the new landlords were getting on with the refurbishment and whether they felt they had made the right decision.

We were also keen to see how our survey and advice had helped the new landlords in making their decision to buy the property and how it had assisted them with their refurbishment task.  

Jan and Paul have found that the stock management is probably the most difficult part to manage, particularly as their cellar is quite small.

Jan filled us in on what had happened after they received the Schedule of Condition.   Armed with her Business Plan and our Schedule of Condition she was able to meet with her bank manager again to discuss the purchase of the pub.   We were delighted to hear that her Business Manager had said that our Schedule of Condition was one of the best reports he had seen.

Jan described the Schedule of Condition as her 'bible' over the next months.   As workmen came and went during the refurbishment she was able to copy pages from it to give to the tradesmen employed for them to then carry out the repairs and alterations.   The report gave them a starting point.   Lots of work was needed to the property and once the structure was opened up more problems were detected that could not have originally been identified.

The Refurbishment

The refurbishment has been a big task.   Substantial work has been done to the roofs and Jan and Paul were able to use the roofers contacts for other jobs and he oversaw the work done on their behalf.   Jan advised that if they were to do this over again they would use a Project Manager.   This is their first major refurbishment and there were a lot of technical issues that they did not feel informed enough about to make decisions on.   They felt that professional advice would have helped.

The refurbishment took longer than expected Jan said that as the project had progressed they had had to find extra money for the works for which they received invoices from the contractors, which then had to be taken to the bank to authorise the payment.

Re-opening to the Public

Jan and Paul went through two opening dates, the end of June and 10 th July and eventually opened to the public on 27 th July 2004; this was 11 weeks after they had signed the leasehold agreement.  

They actually had three opening nights.   They put an advert in the local paper, put board notices out and signs in the windows and distributed leaflets around part of the town.   They were overwhelmed by the response having about 250 customers in on each night.   Family were roped in to help behind the bar, making the events a great success.

Business has been good since the opening and Jan and Paul have not regretted their somewhat 'snap' decision even though the hours are rather long with Jan's typical hours of work being 8.30am - 1.30am.

Plans for the Future      

We saw lots of changes when we re-visited the Inn and things had improved greatly, though there is still work to be done in the private accommodation and Jan and Paul are also in the process of refurbishing two en suite rooms so as to provide Bed and Breakfast accommodation.

Jan advises doing things in little stages. For example they started serving lunches Monday to Saturday and are now serving a Sunday Roast and evening meals Monday to Thursday. Jan's mum is working in the kitchen and plans are now underway for Christmas and New Year events. Was it all worth it we asked. The answer was 'Yes'.

 

building engineers

 

 

Home Buyers Reports Property Surveys - why we're the best. Engineers Reports
© Copyright 1stAssociated.co.uk

Quick Links:

Residential Property Surveying

Accessing Chimneys
Advice On Disputes
Animals and Plants Living around your Building
Approved Inspectors -v- Local Authority Building Control Officers
Asbestos
Asphalt Flat Roofs
Basement Conversions
Boundary Disputes
Boundary Disputes Solved with Common Sense
Building Disputes
Building Survey Glossary
Building Surveys or Structural Surveys
Buying and Selling General Information
Buying at Auction Information
Buying Off-Market -v- Buying at Auction
Buying Property at Auction
Can you trust a Chartered Surveyors Valuation
Cavity Wall Problems
Chartered Surveyors pt1
Chartered Surveyors pt2
Cheap Building Surveys, or being wrongly advised by your Building Surveyor
Close Boarding
Chimney Issues
Common Chimney Problems
Compare Building Surveys
Compare Home Buyers Reports
Common Pitched Roofs
Condensation
Condensation
Condensation and Damp Walls
Cowboy Builders and Cowboy Clients
Cracking and Movement Information
Cracking to my Plaster
Cracks in my Wall
Damp in properties
Damp Meters
Damp Proof Course, How do older properties keep dry without one?
Damp Proof Courses, What are these for?
Damp Proof Courses Defined
Damp Proof Specialists, Talk to us First
Damp Surveying To A Different Standard
Dampness Defects Report
Dampness Problems
Damp Walls
Dampness A Different View
Definitions of Building terms
Deteriorating Brickwork Cement Repointing
Disputes
Do Banks and Building Society Surveyors Really Value Property?
Do Chartered Surveyors Value Property?
Dormer Roof Leaking
Drainage and Manholes
Dry Verges
Energy Surveys or Energy Condition Reports v Thermal Imaging
Engineers Report
Environmental Reports
Estate Agents
Estate Agent, There is no point being honest
Estimating Building Costs
Expert Witness
Fascia and Soffit Board Problems
Financial Advisers
Flat Roofs
Foundations
Foundations and Underpinning
French Drains
From Fire Marks to Surveyor John Braid Wood
Georgian and Regency Properties and their common problems
Get a Survey Quote
Good Design can Save you Money
Health and Safety in the Property Industry
How do older properties keep dry without a damp proof course?
How, in our experience, insurance companies deal with cracks in properties
How to Buy a Property at Auction, FAQs
How to get on with your Builder
Independant Financial Advisers - Are they Independent?
Independant Financial Advisors pt1
Independant Financial Advisors pt2
Insulation, DPCs and Energy Performance Certificates
Insurance Claim
Insurance Claim Against Surveyors
Insurance Companies
It is important to remember where builders come from
Leaking Dormer Roofs
Leaking Flat Roofs
Lime Mortar
Listed Buildings and Character Properties
Location, Location, Location
Loft Conversions
Modern Timber Frame Properties and their common problems
Mortgage Valuations
Mortgages Aren't they interesting?
Movement and Cracking Information
My property has been repointed in a cement mortar, what can I do?
NHBC Warranty Problems
Noisy Neighbour - A Different Sort
Non Traditional Housing
Not So Common Pitched Roofs
Parking Dispute
Party Walls
Pre and Post Suburban Properties and their common problems
Pre Sales Survey
Pre School And Day Nursery Dampness And Condensation Problems
Problem Solving
Problems with cap over and overclad fascia and soffit boards
Problems with fascia and soffit boards
Problems with Roof Windows, Roof Lights and Sky Lights
Property Eras and Common Problems
Property Acquisition Companies
Property Investors Wanted
Property Management - It's all about cash flow
Property Refurbishment
Property Valuations
Repairing Cracks
Residential Surveys
Rising Damp and Independent Reports
Rising Damp, Condensation and Damp through Walls
Roof Problems and Information
Roof Problems
Roof Windows, Roof Lights, Sky Lights and Light Tunnels
Settlement, Subsidence and Heave
Shared Freehold and Problems with Damp
Should I buy or sell land?
Should I have a Structural Survey?
Specific Defects Reports
Structural Cracking
Structural Report
Structural Surveys
The Great Fire of London
Thermal Imaging
Traditional and Non-Traditional Properties, What are they?
Traditional Tudor Timber Frame Properties and their common problems
Unhealthy alliance between Estate Agents and Surveyors
Valuation
Valuation the same, Snap
Value and Worth The Moral Maze
Valuations Information
Victorian and Edwardian Properties and their common problems
Wall Issues
Wall Tie Problems
What Is An Independent Survey?
What is my Home Worth?
Where is my boundary?
Why Have One Of Our Surveys?
Why Have a Residential Survey?
Why Use Us?
Why You Have Never Seen any Building Surveys or Structural Surveys Like Ours
Woodworm Treatment
 

Commercial Property Surveying

Directories and Indexes that you can find us in on the Internet

A-Z of Dilapidations
Asbestos
Beware of the Late Served Schedule of Dilapidations by the Landlord
Break Clauses, Are they Worth it?
Building Survey Glossary
Buying a Commercial Property at Auction
Buying at Auction Information
Commercial Property, What is a Primary, Secondary or Tertiary Property?
Commercial Surveys
Commercial Survey Forms
Compare Commercial Surveys
Compare Commercial Building Surveys
Commercial - Dealing with Asbestos in Retail Units
Dilapidations and Chartered Accountants and your Accounts
Dilapidantions Negotiations (Landlord or Landlord's Surveyor not acting fairly)
Dilaps and Poker Playing
Dilaps Break Clauses
Dilaps Claim
Dilaps Claim by a Landlord
Dilaps Disagreements on the Repairs Needed
Dilaps Dilaps Help Course Book, Comments by Vivien King
Dilaps More Information
Experienced Businesspeople understand the importance of a Schedule of Condition being appended to a Lease
Expert Witness
Good Design can Save you Money
Health and Safety in the Property Industry
How do Civil Procedure Laws Affect Dilapidations
How to read a Dilapidations Schedule
Industrial Commercial Properties - The Asbestos Cement Dilemma
Information about Buying at Auction
Interim Dilapidations
Landlords
Landlords and Tenants
Landlords can you have too good a retail tenant?
Landlords can you have too good an industrial tenant?
Landlords Industrial Properties
Landlord's view on a new business taking on a lease
Landlords Retail Investment Properties
Landlords What can we do for You?
Lease Negotiations with your Landlord
My First Lease What Should I Do?
Negotiating Dilapidations
Negotiating with a Landlord
Negotiating FRI Lease Clauses
Property Report
Reading your Village, Town and City
Retail Leases or Licences
RICS Guidance Notes on Dilapidations
Schedule of Condition - What should I expect?
Scedule of Conditions for Commercial Properties
Scott's Schedules
Section 18 Valuation
Structural Survey
The Lazy Solicitor and the Lease
Tenants
Terminal Schedules of Dilapidations
Vivian King on RICS Guidance Note and Dilaps
What is a Schedule of Condition?
Why Advanced Rent
Your Lease in Plain English

Links to Surveyors and Property Related Companies Around the World

 

Property Courses

Dilapidations - New Improved Presentations Click Here

Dilapidations - Original Presentations Click Here

Party Walls Presentations Click Here

Building Surveying Presentations Click Here

Building Surveys New Improved Click Here

Final Countdown Presentations Click Here

Lectures 2009 Click Here

Lectures 2010 Click Here

Building Pathology
Building Survey Glossary
Building Surveying Acapulco Presentation
Building Surveying Clients and Introduction Presentation
Building Surveying Executive Summaries Presentation
Building Surveying Follow the Trail Presentation
Building Surveying Survey Groups and Managing Presentation
Building Surveying Project Minutes
Building Surveying Questions Georgian and Regency
Building Surveying Questions Modern Timber Frame
Building Surveying Questions Pre and Post Suburban Years
Building Surveying Questions Traditional Timber Frame
Building Surveying Questions Victorian and Edwardian
Buying and Selling Your Property Course: Course Aim
Commercial and Section 18 Valuations Presentation 5
Commercial Building Survey Example Presentation 5
Dilapidations Courses
Dilapidations Courses
Dilapidations Follow the Trail Presentation 3
Dilapidations Introduction to Surveying Presentation
Dilapidations Legal Framework Presentation 4
Dilapidations Overview and Schedules of Condition New Presentation 1
Dilapidations Overview and Schedules of Condition Presentation 1
Dilapidations Review Industrial New Presentation 3
Dilapidations Review Property Reports New Presentation 2
Dilapidations Review Schedules of Condition and Property Reports New Presentation 1
Dilapidations Review Industrial Presentation 3
Dilapidations Review Property Reports Presentation 2
Dilapidations Review Schedules of Condition and Property Reports Presentation 1
Dilapidations Review of Schedules of Condition and Property Reports Presentation 3
Dilaps Help Course Book, Comments by Vivien King
Dilaps Help Presentation 9
Property Eras Georgian and Victorian Photos Presentation
Property Eras Georgian Photos Presentation
Property Eras Modern Photos Presentation
Property Eras Post War and Modern Photos Presentation
Property Eras Post War Photos Presentation
Property Eras Regency, Victorian, Post War and Modern Photos Presentation
Property Eras Tudor Photos Presentation
Property Eras Victorian Photos Presentation
Estimating Building Costs Presentation 5
Final Countdown - Last 3 Weeks Presentation
Final Countdown - Dilapidations Example Presentation
Final Countdown - Schedule of Condition Example Presentation
Final Countdown - Last 2 Weeks - Expert Witness Presentation
Final Countdown - Last 2 Weeks - Speaker Review Presentation
Final Countdown - Last Week - Party Walls Presentation
Goals, Presentations and Offices Presentation 6
Improving Your Presentation
Industrial Dilapidations Presentation 3
Industrial Unit Dilapidations Issues in Photos Presentation 3
Leases RICS Guidance and Protocol Presentation 3
Our Beliefs and Values
Outstanding Building Surveys Presentation
Party Walls Five Types of Party Walls Presentation 1
Party Walls Example used in Presentation 1
Presentations, New Presentation 8
Presentations, Presentation 8
Property As An Investment Course
Property Report and Schedule of Condition Example Presentation 5
Property Courses
Reading your Village, Town and City
Reading your Village, Town and City for Dilaps Students
RICS Guidance Notes Presentation 7
Schedules of Dilapidations Review Presentation 6

1st Associated Chartered Surveyors Are Also Available in the Following Areas:

East Anglia and East

Norfolk
Suffolk
Essex
Cambridgeshire
Lincolnshire

South and South East

Isle of Wight
East Sussex
West Sussex
Surrey
Kent
Berkshire
Oxfordshire
Buckinghamshire
Bedfordshire
Hertfordshire

West Country and South West

Cornwall
Devon
Somerset
Bristol
Dorset
Wiltshire
Hampshire
Gloucestershire
Shropshire
Herefordshire
 

Midlands

Northamptonshire
Rutland
Leicestershire
Nottinghamshire
Derbyshire
Warwickshire
Staffordshire
Worcestershire

North and North East

Cheshire
Cleveland
Merseyside
Lancashire
Cumbria
West Yorkshire
South Yorkshire
East Riding Of Yorkshire
North Yorkshire
Northumberland
Tyne and Wear
Durham
Greater Manchester
 

North Wales

Clwyd
Gwynedd
Powys
Dyfed

South Wales

West Glamorgan
Mid Glamorgan
South Glamorgan
Gwent

London

Central London
- City of London
- City of Westminster
- Soho
- Kensington
- Chelsea
- Hammersmith and Fulham
- Wandsworth
- Lambeth
- Southwark
- Tower Hamlets
- Hackney
- Islington
- Camden
- Brent
- Ealing
- Stratford
- Hounslow
- Richmond upon Thames
- Kingston upon Thames
- Merton
- Sutton
- Croydon
- Bromley
- Lewisham
- Greenwich
- Bexley
- Chiswick
- Marylebone
- Havering
- Barking
- Dagenham
- Redbridge
- Newham
- Waltham Forest
- Haringey
- Enfield
- Barnet
- Harrow
- Hillingdon
North London
South London
East London
West London

This firm does not accept service of documents by email or fax

Admin/Registered Office:

Hoo View House
Stanley Street
Bedford
Bedfordshire
MK45 7RU